Off Topic the doctor will be with you shortly

packrat

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a phrase I became REAL familiar with yesterday----took a friend to HGH and from 10:30 on until we left at 6:30 this is what she was told ---so we sat and sat and sat (this is in the ER btw). not a critical issue was more a look see then you can go. at first we thought HGH was going to be notch or two above BGH----NOT. ER staff should be banned from uttering this statement on penalty of being forced to sit with you themselves until "THE DOCTOR WILL BE WITH YOU SHORTLY"

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don't know if it till in operation cuz there was RUMOUR it was going to be shutdown but urgent care at Paris Willett has their program running much better then the local ER----wait time approx. 3 hours on a busy day
 
The other year, in the winter evening, I took my wife to Grand River Hospital. She did not feel very well. By the time we left on our own, her condition much improved, fever was gone etc. No wonder going to the hospital helps... kinda.
 
I was in two car accidents Monday. The second an ambulance was called to examine me. I was told it would be a minimum 12hr wait at emerge to see a doc :LOL: I refused care after they determined I wasnt at any immediate risk of death and made an appointment with my family doctor and got a referral for xrays. Emergency obviously doesn't mean what I thought it did...

Josh
 
I was putting winter tires on last monday when a wind gusts shifted the jack and my foot became wedged between the car and the ground...I know I know should have had my jack stands in use!!! Once I freed myself after 10 min of panic I finished the tires and went to woodstock er. I was there 4 hours. Wasn't offered anything for the pain nor was I given anything to cover/clean the massive chunks of missing skin on my foot. Lucky infection didnt set in! I was grouped in with about 6 other ppl who were there with ankle/feet issue. No priority based on severity at all..But in the long run I was ok and am slowly healing.
 

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I once sat in an ER waiting room in Yellowknife when I lived there, for 13 hours bleeding from a cut on my head that required 4 stitches (as it turned out I was also suffering from a second degree concussion) before being seen by any doctor, and when one finally did see me, he was NOT pleased I'd been left in the waiting room that long with a head injury, especially one that was bleeding heavily when I arrived and required stitches.

In 2006 while I lived in Edmonton, I slipped and fell on a wet floor while delivering full sized kegs of beer (250lbs each two at a time on a hand cart) to a restaurant, causing me to fall backwards landing on my back, those two kegs and the hand cart came down on top of me landing across my hips and groin (missed the important stuff) one keg rolling off to the left, the other to the right which was the first time I had serious back and hip issues. I told the restaurant manager I would be ok and just give me a couple minutes to compose myself. Of course she didn't listen, called my boss who told her to call the ambulance and not to let me move, to sit on me if need be to prevent me from moving until they arrived. I was strapped to a back board and on arrival to the hospital I was left strapped to it out in a hallway for the better part of the next 5 hours before being seen by anyone and once I was, all they did was take xrays, give me the next 4 days off, and Tylenol 4 for the pain. That was a Monday morning. When I woke up the Friday morning I was supposed to go back to work, I couldn't move at all and spent the next 6 weeks going to Chiro and physio. Being strapped to that backboard for that long did more damage than the initial fall, and the T4's only masked what was actually happening with my back and hips. What the xrays showed was soft tissue damage. What they didn't show was that my hips were ever so slightly dislocated at the hip joint on each side, and as a result my lower back was trying to compensate, which was causing the rest of my back to compensate, and as the week went on, I was making it worse by following doctors orders.

Those of you who have met me know that 7 years ago, similar but unrelated issues with my back and hips cost me a job which forced me to adapt my career slightly, and 5 years ago after those conditions worsened, I was forced out of my chosen career and into what amounts to a forced retirement because of those issues. I was told then (5 years ago) that I will deal with these issues and the pain that accompanies them for the rest of my life. I am legally considered one with a disability and that disability makes me unemployable (although I strongly disagree, I just can't do certain things I once could and took for granted, but that doesn't mean I can't work in an office setting IF given the opportunity, so I keep looking.)

Over the past 7 years, there is a reason I am and have been VERY hesitant to go to the ER let alone see a GP with the issues I have with my back and hips, because every time I have, what they say and recommend only makes it worse and I am not going to go sit in an ER in pain for hours, when I already know what they're going to tell me that doesn't do a damn thing, and my GP at the time who had taken over the practice from my initial doctor when I moved back to Ontario in 2008, didn't know or couldn't find very important and relevant information that should have been in my file, ie an extended hospitalization in late 2009 into early 2010 and the subsequent recovery program after being discharged, or the MRI I had on my back and hips in 2012, and she made it very clear that she was more interested in protecting her career than she was my health and well-being, so when my current GP agreed to take me on as a patient, I let my old doctor know she would no longer be my doctor, and essentially fired her, but it took me 5 years to find a replacement doctor who would take me on.

I am somewhat optimistic and hopeful that based on what she has said, my current family doctor has some ideas that may help, but she's been on mat leave and I haven't yet seen her since she returned, and although she has indicated she may have some ideas, she's also made it clear that in all likelihood, there is nothing short of surgery that can really do anything to even remotely "fix" the issues, and right now, surgery is not being discussed as an option, mainly because of my age. IF they decide that's the best route to go, they only want to have to do it once. For those who don't know, I turned 49 a week ago, so I'm still a little bit too young is what they're telling me. My body sure as hell doesn't feel like I'm "too young." especially when the seasons and weather change.
 
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Edmonton Er was the worst! I hated going there! In 7 years out there I had to go twice. Both times took forever to see a dr. Gotta clear your schedule anymore when an emergency does happen :(
 
Not if you need the medical attention sooner and they just leave you in waiting room for hours bleeding or crippled over in pain due to person beside you with a runny nose.
 
Didn't wanna be that guy. BUT This is kinda a first world problem. I do agree that it is a pain (pun intended) to have to wait at the emerg. But we do get in. We do get looked after. If it is a legit emergency you get in right away. Earlier this year I went to St Thomas emerg. I had abdominal pain, really bad for a week so I finally went in. Took 8 hours to see the dr, get a ultrasound, and see the dr again. When I confronted the DR as to why it took so long. He was assisting a heart attach patient. Way more important than my pain that I could live with. Although at the moment very frustrating It absolutely makes sense! Although I agree something needs to change to help things move smother. We do have it really well.
 
Hey @packrat when they say "THE DOCTOR WILL BE WITH YOU SHORTLY" you know it's time to set up your cot and sleeping bag to get comfortable, it's gonna be awhile. ?

I just talked with my doctor for referral to a specialist for knee replacement surgery, he says 6-8 months to see him and then 2-2 1/2 years for actual surgery. I hope I can still walk by then as our health care system is crashing big time and will only get worse unfortunately. :(
 
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Im a Reg Nurse, was a Clinical Operations Coordinator for LHSC..I oversaw all the clinical operations for the hospital as well as patient access and flow. I spend a large percent of my time in the ERs trying to get the wait times down. Average was 8-12 hrs, but sometimes as long as 18hrs. These times are however for what in reality are NON critical ER visits...meaning that no, you're not going to die of your injury. You may be uncomfortable, experiencing pain, you are definitely of the opinion that you need to seen NOW, but you don't.
Most people in the waiting rooms have no idea what is going on behind the scenes. The trauma room may be full, there may be a handful of codes on the go. Space may be being cleared cause there are 6 ambulances in the waiting bays unable to unload, and there are another 3 coming from other calls. 3 women with premature pregnancies are bleeding, the local nursing homes have sent 10 of their residents because they hit someone and they won't take them back. There are 28 mental health admits with no beds to go into, another 10 waiting to be seen with 2 police officers for each one. 6 nurses called in sick, the ortho team you are waiting to see is in the OR with a multiple MVA and will be there for the next 10 hours. On top of this probably 50% of the people in the ER DON'T NEED TO BE THERE!!!
A cough and cold is no reason to be in the ER...and those people are usually there because they dont want to go to a walk in clinic and wait. So, you wait...8, 12, 18 hrs. You get seen, you get fixed...the times all depend on how severe your emergency really IS not what you think it is.
Think twice before you go to the ER and if you do go, be prepared to wait. You probably arnt going to die...unless its from boredom.
 
I agree with everything mentioned by @DaveJ. I've seen what goes on behind the scenes at hospitals more than I care to know. The problem isn't with Ontario's Heath Care System staff of doctors or nurses etc. because they are already running at maximum capacity while grossly understaffed and underfunded. Ontario spends the least on its public hospitals of any province in Canada and has the fewest beds to population of any province. Because the liberals left Ontario in debt up to our eyeballs Premier Ford is forced to cut even more but before some start bashing conservative leadership who is really to blame? It's the liberals for 16 years of total irresponsible tax and spend driving Ontario into the ground piling up the highest debt per capita on the entire planet of $348.79 billion. Imagine $12.5 billion just in interest this year alone and that only by the grace of low interest rates, what that wasted money could do for our failing health care system.

Interest on Debt (IOD)

Ontario is forecast to pay $12.5 billion in interest costs in 2018–19.

  • The Province’s fourth largest line item after health care, education, and social services.
  • Ontario’s interest on debt is costing taxpayers approximately $1.4 million every hour.
  • The people of Ontario will pay $876 per person, or $3,503 per family of four, in interest in 2018–19.
  • This is money that cannot be used to provide essential programs for the people of Ontario, or reduce their taxes.
 
I live in a small town that has an emergency department.
I can't complain about wait times here. Usually under a half hour.
Now if you show up when a car accident with multiple serious injuries has just got there wait times would increase.
 
You guys seem to be forgetting that emergency rooms see patients in order of priority, not first come first served. If you’re waiting hours on an average day, it’s not a true emergency and probably shouldn’t even be there.

True emergencies get treated ASAP and are seen before someone with minor wounds, cough, fever, etc.

According to a long time family friend, more than half of the people they see at BGH shouldn’t even be going to emerg and should be going to a walk in clinic or family doctor instead.
 
a phrase I became REAL familiar with yesterday----took a friend to HGH and from 10:30 on until we left at 6:30 this is what she was told ---so we sat and sat and sat (this is in the ER btw). not a critical issue was more a look see then you can go. at first we thought HGH was going to be notch or two above BGH----NOT. ER staff should be banned from uttering this statement on penalty of being forced to sit with you themselves until "THE DOCTOR WILL BE WITH YOU SHORTLY"

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Like others have mentioned, an 8 hour wait means your friend did not require emergency care and you were put in order of priority. 8 hour wait means a very low and doesn’t need to be at emerg priority....


Wait times would be dramatically decreased if people used emerg for its intended purpose. It would be great if they could turn away people who’re wasting time and resources, but that’s a legal disaster waiting to happen.
 
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