Never owned either, and we are still looking/wondering. For a work first unit, logging and farm use, and hunting second on the priority list, what would be a few tried and true, reliable workhorses? It would certainly be nice to have the two up option/capability too. A real torque monster, over a speed demon. Any ideas folks??? Open to all suggestions, not looking to start a great debate, just real world facts and testimonials. thanks in advance