Was out yesterday off Burwell. Only 2nd time down to Erie for eyes this year. I read this board carefully before going and had read they were deep...soo...out 14 or so miles to 64 feet (kept passing boats fishin in 55-60 feet of water and my first mate kept saying lets try here) but ignored them and kept going to till 64 feet (which is at least another 4 miles). Ended the day with our limit of 12 eyes, 2 bows, several sheeps and a couple of perch. Once out there..listen carefully to the radio ( not so much for location but for colours working that day and depth) So we used ripplin red fins with orange and black and orange spoons. Fished close to bottom(within 5-10 feet). 2.5 mph gps speed and yes as I read here...eratic speed changes seemed to make them hit... most on riggers with 50-100 foot lead...dipsys also worked on setting 3 with 200 feet out...(would once in awhile see them bump bottom on inside turn)..anyways..hope this helps..I know the feeling when out there and cant seem to buy a hit.