Off Topic Health care system needs drastic overhaul.

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Well since I have spent over a year and a half of my life in hospital I am now shocked at the state of our health care system now. My 93 year old mother in law (who still lives at home) fell 5 times over last Saturday and Sunday while the PSW stood back and let her fall. After me picking her up with the PSW standing by and just watching me I figured it was time after the 5th fall to call an ambulance. They took her to emerg at University Hospital where she laid in the hallway for over 8 hours before she was even seen. The doctor admitted her. She eats like a horse and is healthy except for she has no muscle in her legs, she has bad dementia and she can't see well because of macular degeneration. She has had 1 visit from Physio and they said she was good to be released. I hit the roof and said no way in hell. The doctor said she has to be able to get out of bed by herself and walk with her walker. The physio told the doctor she could and that is nothing but bull. The caseworker told us she could not do any of these things and set up a meeting next Tuesday to see where we go moving forward. Karen and I want her back home but only when she is ready. No departments in this hospital seem to communicate with each other. I could go on but I will leave it there.
 
The majority of these doctors, specialists, physiotherapists, hospital administrators may be brilliant in their field BUT could not organize a two car parade.
 
Its all about clearing beds. I was a manager of clinical operations at LHSC for a few years before I retired and came back as a staff RN. Part of my responsibilities after regular hours was to oversee bed access and flow..basically who got beds, who got sent home. The hospital needs between 200 and 300 discharges daily to account for planned surgical admissions, clinic admissions, emerg admissions, interhospital transfers, repatriations from outlying hospitals, traumas, Drs offices, etc. The hospital is one big conveyer belt that never stops..ever. Not to defend the system, but even a hospital as large as LHSC has a limit to its resources..physical beds, staff to look after those beds, etc.
Your initial 8 hrs on a stretcher in the ER is unfortunately standard issue..up to 24hrs for non-trauma is common. If you can talk, are conscious, have a clear ECG, then you wait. Even things like broken arms, chest pain, etc go to chairs.

After the ER assessment, only the sickest of the sick get admitted..ie..if you can be seen later in the community by your care provider, have a home to go to, can be referred to out-patient services(which can take months) the you're discharged. At any point in time, the hospital is likely at around 100-115% capacity..meaning all beds are spoken for, and other admissions are overflow..in hallways on stretchers, in storage rooms, or in ER beds. The problem with ER beds is..they aren't nursing care beds, they are assessment beds. The ER isn't an admission unit, so when people are admitted to hospital and there are no beds to go to, the ER gets backed up, and cant assess people who need to be seen...thus the 8, 10, 24 hr waits. It can get so backed up people are waiting in the parking lot in ambulances for 24 hrs not even being able to be offloaded as there are no Nurses to accept them. I've seen it where every ambulance except 2 in the entire London Middlesex area were tied up waiting in ER parking lots...only 1 or 2 ambulances left on the road to go to calls. Its a disaster.

Someone like your mother should be admitted to a short term care/rehab facility like Parkwood before going home..and they should have made that referral. The hospital doesn't want to admit her to a medicine unit as she doesn't really require that level of care, and it blocks a bed for an acute medicine patient..however the reality in the hospital is a large percent of medicine beds..and other beds..are taken up with elderly waiting for placement to long term care facilities..which often have waits of 6-12 months. Ive seen upwards of 50, 60% of some units beds taken up with ALC patients (alternate level of care) not requiring an acute care bed.

So...when someone like your mom comes in to the ER with a caring family and a home to go back to, a PSW service in place, and no acute care issues (rehab isn't considered acute), eating and drinking well..she goes home. The Drs often could care less if there aren't any beds..they expect they just appear on command. Your saving grace is you have a caseworker and a meeting. My recommendation....REFUSE to take her home..you don't have to. They may categorize her as ALC and charge her a small daily rate for the hospital bed..but no-one has ever been forced to pay that. Set very firm limits with the hospital with what you and your wife are able and willing to do, and force the hospital to find her a rehab bed.

You're right, its a disaster, especially for the elderly. Best wishes to you all.
 
Pray you don't get sick. If you're elderly you're at the bottom of the priority list. If you can't advocate for yourself or have a family member who knows the system, you're screwed.
The 500,000 immigration target per year and 300,000 foreign student visas adding to a system where a high percentage of current residents don't have a family doctor continues the downward spiral.
My BIL works as a cleaner at our local ER and sees the same addicts and mental health patients cycling repeatedly through the ER.
There is no political will to fix the system, as it would require common sense in resource allocation and tax increases to pay for it.

"The federal public service, now at 357,247 employees, is nearly 40 per cent larger than it was in 2015, when the Liberals took power, when it counted 257,034 employees."
100,000 more Civil Servants at a conservative estimate of $150,000/year, salary and benefits. $15 billion a year more in tax dollars at work and what has improved?
 
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I shattered 2 vertebrae while vacationing in USA. My one supplier has me covered under their corporate medical insurance.

USA has a FAR better system than Canada… and if you take into consideration personal insurance costs in USA versus what you pay in taxes up here, the USA system is superior.
 
Pray you don't get sick. If you're elderly you're at the bottom of the priority list. If you can't advocate for yourself or have a family member who knows the system, you're screwed.
The 500,000 immigration target per year and 300,000 foreign student visas adding to a system where a high percentage of current residents don't have a family doctor continues the downward spiral.
My BIL works as a cleaner at our local ER and sees the same addicts and mental health patients cycling repeatedly through the ER.
There is no political will to fix the system, as it would require common sense in resource allocation and tax increases to pay for it.

"The federal public service, now at 357,247 employees, is nearly 40 per cent larger than it was in 2015, when the Liberals took power, when it counted 257,034 employees."
100,000 more Civil Servants at a conservative estimate of $150,000/year, salary and benefits. $15 billion a year more in tax dollars at work and what has improved?
Easy question to answer - nothing
 
I shattered 2 vertebrae while vacationing in USA. My one supplier has me covered under their corporate medical insurance.

USA has a FAR better system than Canada… and if you take into consideration personal insurance costs in USA versus what you pay in taxes up here, the USA system is superior.
As long as you have money and/or insurance. If you don’t it’s a different story
 
Owner of my company got the “scan” and Canada doctor found a “spot” on his lung. Canada said he could come back in 6 months for a “biopsy”.

He said ff-that and flew to Chicago after an appointment was made same day, was there the next day, biopsy was done same day.

The tumor was the kind of cancer that spreads… I can’t recall the terminology. They removed it same day.

The tumor would have killed him within 12 months. Thanks to USA, it was removed, and he is clear.


Canadas medical system is a complete joke. We just pay for Jobs on the Canadian medical system, not health care.

3 days from diagnosis to a tumor removal. Canada is a joke when it comes to healthcare
 
Owner of my company got the “scan” and Canada doctor found a “spot” on his lung. Canada said he could come back in 6 months for a “biopsy”.

He said ff-that and flew to Chicago after an appointment was made same day, was there the next day, biopsy was done same day.

The tumor was the kind of cancer that spreads… I can’t recall the terminology. They removed it same day.

The tumor would have killed him within 12 months. Thanks to USA, it was removed, and he is clear.


Canadas medical system is a complete joke. We just pay for Jobs on the Canadian medical system, not health care.

3 days from diagnosis to a tumor removal. Canada is a joke when it comes to healthcare
How much was it to remove the tumor?
 
And here's another dirty little secret most people don't know and hospitals don't want you to find out...
Foreign surgery..people with big $$$ coming to Canada for surgery and buying OR time.
A friends sister was an anesthesiologist in Toronto. People waiting months for a surgery date, yet a % of the OR time was allocated to out of country patients who pay to play. It infuriated her, but it was a revenue stream for the hospital. Hospitals have to have a side hustle for income over and above the federal/provincial funding, and the surgeons get big cash outside of OHIP.
Its another health care scam.
 
Yup the BS never stops and with the situation in Canada things WILL NOT get better…..
 
Had a friends wife over 15 years ago that was diagnosed with stage 4 cancer on her spine and left pelvis area. Doctor gave her 3 months. Both families are fairly well off and did some fundraising with help of the community she got treatment in Michigan and is still with us, has stayed in remission.

I have my own battles with the health care system that I’m not going to get into. But the bottom line is the system is fundamentally flawed and lots of people are needlessly suffering or dying.

I don’t even recognize the country we live in anymore and healthcare is just one spoke of the wheel on that comment.
 
Not to mention the technology in our Canadian facilities is very outdated. We are constantly 10 years behind the private US hospitals
 
Not to mention the technology in our Canadian facilities is very outdated. We are constantly 10 years behind the private US hospitals
We do love sending monies (our tax monies) to other nations now where it kinda could be used as home. USA is far ahead of Canada in taking care of its own citizens.

Don’t get me wrong… we are taking excellent care of our unions. Absolute excellence and early retirement.
 
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And so the topic strays ? Comparing Canada to the USA is like comparing apples to oranges, not a fair subject. As for Unions ? Democracy in action, maybe not perfect but better than "owing my soul to the company store". Early retirement ? HA ! Different job for less money and the boss is still an A-hole.

We are the problem. We do not hold our elected representatives to task. We are to blame for the mess we are in. We love to complain but when it comes time to vote We are delinquent as a citizen to exercise our right to do so. The last Federal and Ontario Provincial elections had a voter turnout of only 44.5% each. Pathetic as that is We can still contact our elected representatives regardless of whether you voted or not and still make your voice heard. You may think that your squeak will fall on deaf ears but if more squeaks join in to become a roar they will have to take notice.

All our elected officials contact information is listed online, so if you have a concern that falls under their jurisdiction (local/provincial/federal) I would advise a polite email to them expressing your opinion.
 
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