The numbers and date show your wrong not me..I could care less if you think your view is right or wrong ..they put alot of people at risk by responding SLOW....we didnt do that ..they did.. hold the proper people accountable or nothing will ever change ...while Ford has presented himself better than Trudeau during this we are lagging behind ... our neighbors to the south east and west seem to be dialed in better. They have plans , dates, and structure. We cant evem make a decision if we are going to send one million kids back to school and its almsot May!!! He lost me on this...is it really that much of an unknown? Are the doctors here better than Quebec or Manitoba? Do they know something we dont ? How much of this boils down the war waged by the ford government on the teachers for the months leading up to this ?
When I told you DO NOT tell me I'm wrong. I wasn't referring to all this political BS. and even if I was, it doesn't make me wrong. It means my political views are different than yours. (and I think you and I have agreed in the past, we both dislike ALL politicians because they are all liars)
I was referring to how I am dealing with it which I explained to you. If you don't understand that or can't wrap your head around it, that's ok too. I took me a long long time while hospitalized to understand and wrap my head around it, but once I did, I got it and my road to recovery, real recovery, began. I'm looking to be positive, and you're spouting nothing but negative. I even gave you a link to go to see what it is I'm using, and how it works. If you don't wanna do that, don't. But don't tell me I'm wrong because you don't understand what it is I'm using, or won't take the time to learn about it.
I have multiple times given the links in other threads to where I am getting my information from, which includes Provincial and Federal websites we all know AND this one.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries.
All I've seen you offer for weeks is your opinions.
Who is the "they" you are referring too? Municipal Gov't? Provincial gov't? Federal or all of the above, because if you ask me, which you haven't, ALL levels of government have failed in one way or another during this because of the mistakes that have been made. Be that slow to respond initially, or too slow to have a plan to return to what used to be "normal." Maybe there was some over reaction, maybe the reaction wasn't strong enough. BUT what is it that we are actually responding too. It isn't the virus is it? It's the damn restrictions we don't like that we're all enduring. Some of us stopped worrying about the virus once all these restrictions started to happen. We lost sight of the bigger picture because conveniences and privileges were suddenly taken away. Things we were used to having and taking for granted. THAT'S what has people so up in arms and let's be quite honest, NONE OF US like what's going on right now especially if its hurting you financially. Well, you're not alone in that are you?
IF you take the time to read what I said objectively instead of with your frustration and anger which is not actually directed at me, you have never met me, nor do you care if you ever do, you just don't like what I said but more importantly you don't like what's going on, none of us do, and I'm as good a vent for you as anyone else is right now, you may find that what I have said is that yeah mistakes have been made. (we agree) BUT now is not the time to be holding people accountable for it while we're still in the middle of this thing. (we disagree. You want heads to roll AND you want things to go back to what they were NOW. Pretty good chance things are not going to go back to being what they were. There will be change when this is over and we are all going to have to adapt to those changes.)
The time will come when this is over for heads to roll, and you can bet that when it does, ALL levels of government are going to be held accountable for those mistakes, and party affiliation isn't going to mean a damn thing. The only thing that will truly matter at that time is not the party they may represent, but the individual. Who was in power and what did he or she do, the buck starts and stops at the top, and every decision is going to be put under a microscope and gone over with a very fine toothed comb. Every Premier and health official in this country is going to be scrutinized more than they are being scrutinized now for the decisions they made.
There will be investigation after investigation after investigation, that we will ultimately be paying for, and when it's all said and done, what we'll get is a report outlining what could or should have been done better. Just like we got with SARS and the same question will be asked, are we going to learn from this so it isn't repeated, or are we going to forget about the lessons we learn, and repeat them if something like this happens again. It could be argued we learned nothing from SARS and that's why we weren't prepared for this. Whether that is true or not, better people than you or I will decide that, maybe after we're gone.
You will also see that I am no fan of Doug Ford. (not really a fan of any politician, hate'em all equally) But I'll give credit where it's due. That doesn't mean that overnight because he's done as well a job on this as has any other Canadian politician, I'm suddenly going to support him or his political party just because I think he's done a relatively good job with this. That doesn't mean I'm going to support any other political party either. When it comes time to vote again, I will vote as I always do, based on which candidate best meets my expectations and earns my vote. I don't care what their opponent did or may have done. I want to know what they're going to do, and how they intend to do it. The person who convinces me they are best suited for the job will get my vote. IF that's a Conservative, then that's how I'll vote. (hasn't happened yet but it could) IF it's a Liberal, then that's how I'll vote. IF it's an NDP or any other political party, then they will get my vote but they have to earn it. They have to convince me to vote for them. I'm not going to just give it to them.
I agree this school year is done, or it should be. They cannot say well you just had a couple months off, that's your summer. School starts back on such and such a date with everyone still in the same grade they were in to finish off the year this interrupted and then OR we're just going to start next year and promote everyone to the next grade right away, those who were going to graduate, graduate.
I also agree the gov't vs the teachers was not a good thing. It never is, BUT the teacher's union that just agreed to a tentative contract a week or so ago said they did so because "the kids need some stability when they go back to class. So we felt we needed to do this." WHERE WAS THAT ATTITUDE 4 months ago???? They didn't care then and NEITHER side got everything they wanted and in 3 years, when this contract is set to expire, what kind of odds are you going to give me that it'll be happening again.
I will also point out that this province has more people in it than the 4 western provinces and the 3 territories combined. It also has more people in it than Quebec and the 4 Maritime provinces combined. That might be a reason why they may be a little more ahead of us here in Ontario. There are more of us here so that plays a part in it and yeah it really could be that much of an unknown.
As for our neighbors to the south. I don't care what they're doing. From all accounts I have seen, (which I will admit I am not following much US media if any at the moment because I really don't care what they're doing.) they are NOT on the same page down there. Not even close because of how Trump initially responded, saying it was a hoax, and how he has responded since. They have the most cases in the world and the most deaths. How many people have died here because of how our gov't responded? How about we stop comparing ourselves to the Americans because it is very possible that a lot more people have died there than perhaps needed to die as a result of how they responded. Yeah we're doing a much better job in my mind than they are, and those states that are reopening, are doing so against the advice of their own health care professionals. Time will tell if it was the right decision to make or not. IF you are an expert in your field and your employer ignores your expert advice and years of experience, because they who have no experience let alone expertise in that field believe they know more than you do, are you going to want to stick around when they undermine you every chance they get? Some do for the greater good of everyone. Others don't and resign.
Unless we sit in on these meetings where they're discussing all of this, the only thing we know for sure is what they tell us. I get it, you're pissed off but you're pissed off not because of the virus, or what it can and has done, but because of the uncertainty, and the inconveniences. NOBODY likes uncertainty and inconvenience. We all want things to reopen so our lives can go back to being some semblance of what they used to be. I think, if nothing else, we can at least agree on that.
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