Thanks for your replies, I should have know it is along ride, not to mention heavy seas. 30 miles hmmm!It's an easy 10 miles further from Bruce. On a picture perfect day, no worries . But like @Dmanwithnoname says, and I'm sure you know as well, Erie can change fast, and the extra 10-12 miles may not be worth the hassle. I thinks it like 18 miles from Burwell to Hastings. So tack on 12 miles more.... that's 30 miles. For a lot of boats, on a calm as glass day, that's an hour each way. If it gets choppy, double that, and if it gets rough........