I think you're misunderstanding my post Red. I've been out with Wave Runner and I believe if my memory is working today, his boat is 16.5 maybe even 16 3/4 ft. It's a very nice boat. All I was saying is that having been out with Tailfeathers as well, I know his boat is considerably bigger, and that I've been out in some pretty good rollers with Tailfeathers that I know Wave Runner wouldn't be out in, nor would I in a boat the size of his. In most things, size doesn't matter (depending on who you ask and the topic being discussed), but when it comes to Lake Erie, that doesn't always ring true, sometimes bigger is most definitely better, and in addition to the safety aspect it's also the individual comfort level. I know guys who would as Wave Runner put it be that adventurous with boats smaller than his in some good rollers that many would just stay home until better conditions prevailed.