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Duck Soup
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 Posted - 07/30/2010 : 15:27:39
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| It's been several weeks since we last fished the offshore waters of Long Point Bay. Nothing much has changed. We only managed to land a single walleye, a large approx 8.5 pound female, in a little over 3 hours of effort using 2 rods each. Therefore 1 walleye x 3.25 hrs x 2 anglers/4 rods. We did catch about a dozen sheephead and probably lost another walleye behind the boat. We didn't hook a single bow. Other boats in the area were experiencing similar success or lack there of. |
Edited by - Duck Soup on 07/30/2010 20:32:16 |
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jumbos
646 Posts |
Posted - 07/30/2010 : 19:02:57
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Tough fishing forsure Arnie. What is your thinking on the lack of bows at Long Point the last few years? Or at least the lack of finding/catching bows at the Point?
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Duck Soup
1866 Posts |
Posted - 07/30/2010 : 21:00:53
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Hi Brian, I'm not sure about the bows. This is the worst I've ever seen it. Published data shows that NY, Pennsylvania, Ohio and Michigan are still stocking about the same numbers. Ontario has never done much but that's down to nothing now. Our MNR is has no money, our Provincial Government keeps raising taxes and spends on health care, education and their Liberal agenda. Stuff like putting day-care children into schools. Our fishing license fee is supposed to into the special purpose fund but the HST increase on July 1st goes to general revenue. We have to understand the problem to recommend a solution therefore I guess we should all be asking that our MNR supply some answers. We may be able to get some research done. That doesn't cost as much as any probable solution.
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Originally posted by jumbos
Tough fishing forsure Arnie. What is your thinking on the lack of bows at Long Point the last few years? Or at least the lack of finding/catching bows at the Point?
Brian (Legend Man)
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Edited by - Duck Soup on 07/30/2010 21:09:57 |
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jumbos
646 Posts |
Posted - 07/30/2010 : 23:19:00
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Well said Arnie!!!!!
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canvasbacksca
361 Posts |
Posted - 07/31/2010 : 08:36:44
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| MNR has plenty of $$, Duck Soup, but despite the fact that way over 50% of their funding comes from our hunting / fishing licences via the Special Purpose Account, they spend much less of it now than previously on "fish and game". They're spending it on Species at Risk and on their top-heavy bureaucrazy. Fish and wildlife management, as we used to know it, is a thing of the past in Ontario. |
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Duck Soup
1866 Posts |
Posted - 07/31/2010 : 09:53:06
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Assuming that you are correct and all these cutbacks are due to spending priorities, how do we change things?
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Originally posted by canvasbacksca
MNR has plenty of $$, Duck Soup, but despite the fact that way over 50% of their funding comes from our hunting / fishing licences via the Special Purpose Account, they spend much less of it now than previously on "fish and game". They're spending it on Species at Risk and on their top-heavy bureaucrazy. Fish and wildlife management, as we used to know it, is a thing of the past in Ontario.
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lovetrout
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Posted - 07/31/2010 : 10:27:39
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| While i agree that there is and has been a mis-appropriation of funds, I can hardly believe that through all of the excesses and economic mistakes in the past decade, that sending kids to school at an earlier age needs to be identified as even one of the reasons for our lack of stocking problems. |
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sea star
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Posted - 07/31/2010 : 10:44:55
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Arnie....although the bay is not produceing like our neighbours to the west there are enough eyes to stay home. Due to commitments off the water we have fished little this season however our worst day has been 4 eyes in 3 hours and half of that was in gale force winds. Not chartering because of time so we have been basically a 4 rod program...10 cor, 8 core, dipsy, rigger or 3 core. Worm harnesses have taken 4/5 of our fish trolling a slow program. Fishing south of the shoal......I agree that bows have been very difficult to find consistently....we did take a brown the other day. Will be looking out in very deep next week......hardly a boat on the water when we have been out. I've put up a couple of posts on the LPBAA site regarding whats been working but we still have had the water to ourselves.
South Coast Sportfishing
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quinner01
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Posted - 07/31/2010 : 10:49:24
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Maybe they should reduce the limit from 5 per person, to 2 or 3, like Lake Huron has.
Who needs 5 five-ten lb rainbows anyway?
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canvasbacksca
361 Posts |
Posted - 07/31/2010 : 11:31:07
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Perhaps I'm getting cynical as I get older, Duck Soup, but I don't see MNR ever regaining its former emphasis on "fish & game". First, there are very few people left in MNR with a management background/education and those remaining are retiring rapidly.
But, most importantly, with few exceptions, hunting and angling in ON are better now than they've been for a long time and society has come to realize that regulated hunting and fishing are not threats to fish and wildlife populations. Consequently, the emphasis, politically, has shifted to things like Species at Risk, Invading Species, and restoring native species such as Atlantic Salmon in Lake O. and Lake Trout in Erie.
Finally, given reports of the outstanding steelhead fishing in the Central Basin, it would be difficult to justify spending the great amount of $$ that would be required to stock enough fish to improve fishing for them in the Eastern Basin, especially given that most anglers have trailers for their boats. And, let's not forget that Jimmy Riggins, Geoff Hoover, et al. are there for those who dont. |
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Stick
312 Posts |
Posted - 07/31/2010 : 19:19:34
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Personally, from working on local tribs such as Big Creek over the past 20+ years my beliefs are that stocking only produces short term gains, although I do thank our American friends for inundating Erie with fish from their side to subsidize our natural stocks out in the lake and for much lower producing creeks such as the Big and Little Otter systems.
From my observations with the new ladder on Big Creek I believe that that system has reached its maximum as far as rearing naturally produced fish that it can sustain and grow from one year to the next. Putting more yearlings there would only starve out all within stocked sections because there is only so much food to go around. Hotter drier years reduce the available feeding areas and also weed out the weak, as it should.
Also look at the amount of year old fish hooked and inadvertantly killed in the early fall creek season and weeks following Opening Day by being caught and released only to die from there wounds, no matter how careful we are to release them unharmed. I've caught bows as small as 3" in the spring with my pin because I felt them hit, set the hook and never hooked them. Their jaws where opened as far as they would go around a single egg and their teeth where caught in the mesh of a roe bag. Even by popping the egg to relax the jaw and release the fish as easily as possible to avoid hurting it often resulted in a fish with a broken jaw that probably could no longer feed itself = dead fry.
Once fish reach the age where they drop down to the lake they face predation from multiple predators (including human) as well as a vastly reduced amount of food from the filtering of plankton etc. by non native mussels as well as the much reduced phosphate loading dictated by our government in laundry detergent and household fertilizers that run off into our systems and inevitably into Lake Erie that allow plankton to flourish, but of course this is not appealing to the sight of humans.
I could go on but there are so many varaibles in the success of certain year classes in my favourite sportfish that I will stop here because I am not a fast typist and this has taken forever to produce as it is.
Stick
'Tis better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt. Abraham Lincoln
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Edited by - Stick on 07/31/2010 19:24:37 |
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Duck Soup
1866 Posts |
Posted - 07/31/2010 : 22:52:46
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Hi Dave, nice to hear that the decline in the offshore fishery has not had a negative impact on Big Creek. I heard the run on Young's Creek has really declined but have no knowledgeable source to confirm that information. As such the info doesn't count for much. Similarily I heard there was an awesome run on the Lynn River and although Meisners Dam was open for inspection, traditionally the Lynn doesn't have a real run....it's been blocked for as long as I've lived here.
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Originally posted by Stick
Personally, from working on local tribs such as Big Creek over the past 20+ years my beliefs are that stocking only produces short term gains, although I do thank our American friends for inundating Erie with fish from their side to subsidize our natural stocks out in the lake and for much lower producing creeks such as the Big and Little Otter systems.
From my observations with the new ladder on Big Creek I believe that that system has reached its maximum as far as rearing naturally produced fish that it can sustain and grow from one year to the next. Putting more yearlings there would only starve out all within stocked sections because there is only so much food to go around. Hotter drier years reduce the available feeding areas and also weed out the weak, as it should.
Also look at the amount of year old fish hooked and inadvertantly killed in the early fall creek season and weeks following Opening Day by being caught and released only to die from there wounds, no matter how careful we are to release them unharmed. I've caught bows as small as 3" in the spring with my pin because I felt them hit, set the hook and never hooked them. Their jaws where opened as far as they would go around a single egg and their teeth where caught in the mesh of a roe bag. Even by popping the egg to relax the jaw and release the fish as easily as possible to avoid hurting it often resulted in a fish with a broken jaw that probably could no longer feed itself = dead fry.
Once fish reach the age where they drop down to the lake they face predation from multiple predators (including human) as well as a vastly reduced amount of food from the filtering of plankton etc. by non native mussels as well as the much reduced phosphate loading dictated by our government in laundry detergent and household fertilizers that run off into our systems and inevitably into Lake Erie that allow plankton to flourish, but of course this is not appealing to the sight of humans.
I could go on but there are so many varaibles in the success of certain year classes in my favourite sportfish that I will stop here because I am not a fast typist and this has taken forever to produce as it is.
Stick
'Tis better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt. Abraham Lincoln
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